I realized you guys are getting real caught up when I said "definition". And that is why I actually posted the source material of what I was saying. It isn't to say that religion is defined that way and anything else isn't actually religion. It is to say that any religion that doesn't care for people and keep yourself pure from (rather than corrupted by) the world, isn't a religion worthy of our time.
If you even note, this "religion" isn't even Christian religion. (Because Christianity isn't a 'religion' but a doctrine, within the coherency of itself). People can have different religions in Christianity. Which is why I'm trying to explain to you guys, in Christianity, any
religion that is focused on love and purity is acceptable by God.
That isn't to say that religion can save you, indeed, no religion can. That's the problem that the pharisees had, that Jesus was trying to explain. They believed that by acting good they'll be saved by that. So Jesus was pointing out, especially in his sermon on the mount, that it isn't what you do on the outside that counts, but who you are on the inside. Because all evil deeds comes from people who do them, not the other way around. Religion, therefore, cannot save you. Because it cannot change your nature, only your volition.
Think about it. If you have a filthy dish to clean, do you use a filthy rag to clean it? Lol, of course not. While "cleaning" may be your religion, and that enough is admirable, you can't clean unless you have something first clean to absorb all the dirt and wash it all away. Something that is clean has to sacrifice its cleanliness in order for you to be clean. When you take a shower, the water comes, mixes with your dirt, and the water becomes dirty, but washes away from you. In the same way, while your action of cleaning (religion) is admirable, unless you have something clean to wash your dirt away, you won't be able to be clean.
And therein lies the rub. As much as your religion itself is acceptable, if you don't have something pure to bear your sins and wash them away from you, you won't become clean. This is all an aside from the conversation we were having before but is something to think about.
Ultimately, you just do the right thing -- the things you know are right. You love others just as you love yourself and you regard others as greater than yourself. When you do something wrong, instead of reasoning in yourself "well, it's not really wrong", or "but I don't care because I deserve better" or something like that, you just admit you did something wrong, apologize, rectify the situation and make sure to never do that wrong thing again. And then have hope; that is what the Christ is for. Him for you. Not you for Him (what can you do for Him? Or what can a man do for God? Rather, it is God who works for you, so that you may live, and love and be loved).
If you ever have to question yourselves regarding Christianity, you have to be sure to understand what your questioning. In a critique of Christianity, I realize most people never talk about Jesus. I mean seriously, how many of you, since I came here, even mentioned Jesus? And yet some of you reject Christianity? That'd be like rejecting Evolution without reading Darwin. Or rejecting America without reading the Constitution. Or rejecting the Civil Rights movement without listening to Dr. King.
And yet you have Christianity, and when the scholars demanded of Jesus to tell them "what is the greatest commandment" (religion), what did Jesus say? He gave them two commandments, to Love and Love (Love God and Love Others). One regrds purity/holiness/righteousness and the other regards caring for others. That, in Christianity, is what is meant when it is said for you to be religious.
Sparky wrote:so no im not religious and definitely not religious by christianity terms like i said because im not a christian. I thought that was clear enough arch?
Christianity isn't about "religion". Christianity is a doctrine regarding salvation and victory over sin and death through Jesus. That isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about religion as was talked about in Christianity, which has nothing to do with Jesus or Redemption.
If you tell me that you love people, rather than hate them, if you care about people instead of ignore them, if you seek to help the homeless, the broken, the weary, the weak, the orphans, the widows, the hungry, the poor, etc.. you are already half-religious. If you keep yourself from the corruption of this world, that is selfishness and greed, un-chastity, lies, laziness, extortion, lawlessness, war and violence, etc. then you are religious of the other-half.
If both then you are completely religious in a Christian sense. So for the people who say "I'm not religious in Christianity's terms", I'll be honest and say that I do not understand you. What, do you hate people? Or not care about people? Or is it that you are willingly corrupted by the world in some way?