Homosexuality and Homosexuals

[Jasmine Firebender]

I don't believe bisexuality exists. Even if a guy or girl is attracted to the opposite gender, as well, but if they are attracted to the same gender, it's gay.

[Archsage]

Well I don't believe in these labels either -- people just shouldn't be defined by what they do with their genitals. But I would suppose that if a person is both consistently engaged in sexual thought and behavior involving members of both genders (or some strange hybrid of the two), one would naturally be committing bisexual behavior.

Now whether this is a right or wrong thing to do is another matter, and whether or not the Government should get involved is yet another matter entirely.

[captainyodels]

Bisexuality absolutely exists, just as much as asexuality and homosexuality. Being sexually attracted to both sexes as opposed to one or neither. You don't have to believe in it for it to exist. I don't want to believe in idiotic Christians, but they still keep popping up everywhere.

As a Christian, it's not our place to determine whether or not someone else's sexuality is a legitimate sexuality. We are supposed to be focused on being Christ-like. That would mean not having a sexuality to begin with because we are to abstain from lust entirely. Now, seeing as that's incredibly difficult to do, people do have sexualities. Whether or not you condone them is completely irrelevant to their existence.

For instance: I'm attracted to females. I won't pretend I fully understand homosexuality or, in my case, bisexuality as far as sinning goes. I could believe it to be as wrong as the night is dark, but that wouldn't change that I'm attracted to women. I'm also attracted to men, though not quite in the same context. My sexuality is a big ball of confusion, but at the end of the day, I am, technically, bisexual. That doesn't mean that I date or have sex with both sexes. It just means that I am sexually attracted to both sexes.

And even if I didn't believe in bisexuality, it still exists.

[BlackInk]

As a Christian, it's not our place to determine whether or not someone else's sexuality is a legitimate sexuality. We are supposed to be focused on being Christ-like. That would mean not having a sexuality to begin with because we are to abstain from lust entirely. Now, seeing as that's incredibly difficult to do, people do have sexualities. Whether or not you condone them is completely irrelevant to their existence.

Well, throwing away sexuality completely isn't the christian thing to do either. At least not where I come from and have learned.

[Archsage]

As a Christian, it's not our place to determine whether or not someone else's sexuality is a legitimate sexuality. We are supposed to be focused on being Christ-like. That would mean not having a sexuality to begin with because we are to abstain from lust entirely. Now, seeing as that's incredibly difficult to do, people do have sexualities. Whether or not you condone them is completely irrelevant to their existence.

I think your first sentence isn't so true. As a Christian, no, as a moral human being we can all share in the burden of determining whether a certain kind of sexuality is legitimate or not. In fact, we already do it all the time. Certain people reject pedophilia, bestiality, incest, rape, bdsm, etc. while accepting premarital sex, polygamous/polyandrous sex, homosexuality, etc.. And that's a perfectly fine thing to do; judging actions. Some Christians just judge them differently than some non-Christians do.

Becoming Christlike doesn't mean not having a sexuality. Becoming Christlike means not letting your sexuality rule you. I certainly believe some people are predisposed to certain things. Some of these things are okay to do and some of these things are wrong to do. What being Christlike means is to do what is right, and to abstain from doing what is wrong, despite your predispositions. For example, as an average late-teenage male I am extremely predisposed by my biological maturation to want to copulate with anything that even resembles at least a moderately attractive female. But despite that predisposition, I know that it would be wrong to let that rule me. I know that it would be wrong to let that thing happen outside of a genuine, serious relationship with someone that I truly love and care about, who will be my partner for the rest of my life, together in raising a new generation, and giving back to our society the greatest gift of all -- life.

For instance: I'm attracted to females. I won't pretend I fully understand homosexuality or, in my case, bisexuality as far as sinning goes. I could believe it to be as wrong as the night is dark, but that wouldn't change that I'm attracted to women. I'm also attracted to men, though not quite in the same context. My sexuality is a big ball of confusion, but at the end of the day, I am, technically, bisexual. That doesn't mean that I date or have sex with both sexes. It just means that I am sexually attracted to both sexes.

And even if I didn't believe in bisexuality, it still exists.

Well that's fine and dandy. I happen to think certain guys look pretty darn attractive as well (after all, if I can think that a guy looks ugly, it also means that I can think that a guy looks amazingly good). But even so, attraction is just a predisposition. It's only if you act on it (whether physically or mentally) that makes you wrong.

As you know, Christianity does not condemn heterosexuality. Nonetheless, Jesus did say: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-28 NIV). While this was geared to the men that He was speaking to, note that the sin isn't in the action, but in the heart. So while predisposition is really nothing, the sin starts from the inside, not the outside.

That is why I've been saying, if you embrace the sexuality in your heart, and it is not moral sexuality, you have already lost yourself. So while I am predisposed towards having sex with women, or while you are predisposed towards sexual interaction with either male or female, as long as we don't embrace such a thing, we don't sin.

But who can do that? And that's the whole point: all have sinned. This Law, as is later explained, which is so inescapable, is like a Mirror. It only shows you how dirty you are. But you don't rub your face into the mirror to make yourself clean! Neither can the Law save you at all. But you go and find something to wash your face of your dirt. Now knowing about sin through the Law, you go to the Christ who will wash your sins away. At least, that's what Christianity teaches.

[BlackInk]

As you know, Christianity does not condemn heterosexuality. Nonetheless, Jesus did say: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-28 NIV). While this was geared to the men that He was speaking to, note that the sin isn't in the action, but in the heart. So while predisposition is really nothing, the sin starts from the inside, not the outside.

In my translation the word you write as "adultery" is the word "äktenskapsbrott" (I'm swedish). Making it more about not to have sexual fantasies or acting on sexual thoughts with a woman who is married or if you yourself are married. So for me these verses is more directed at married people, which means sexuality is not at all condemn heterosexuality since it also says that sex is an important thing between a husband and wife, somewhere.

[Archsage]

As you know, Christianity does not condemn heterosexuality. Nonetheless, Jesus did say: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-28 NIV). While this was geared to the men that He was speaking to, note that the sin isn't in the action, but in the heart. So while predisposition is really nothing, the sin starts from the inside, not the outside.

In my translation the word you write as "adultery" is the word "äktenskapsbrott" (I'm swedish). Making it more about not to have sexual fantasies or acting on sexual thoughts with a woman who is married or if you yourself are married. So for me these verses is more directed at married people, which means sexuality is not at all condemn heterosexuality since it also says that sex is an important thing between a husband and wife, somewhere.

I don't really know what your saying. We both agree that Christianity does not condemn heterosexuality right? So what's up?

[Delmaar]

I don't believe in research, I will just believe what I want and have uninformed opinions, and demand that everyone respect me for it.

I fixed that for you!

[BlackInk]

I don't really know what your saying. We both agree that Christianity does not condemn heterosexuality right? So what's up?

I'm not arguing against you. Just commenting on the Bible verse you put in your post.

[Sejame]

I don't believe bisexuality exists. Even if a guy or girl is attracted to the opposite gender, as well, but if they are attracted to the same gender, it's gay.

I don't believe Christianity exists. I think if someone worships a God, even if it's multiple Gods, they are just religious. It's all the same.