Child Abuse!!

[CancerianFireLordess]

To put this topic to a more...serious note, yes, child abuse is wrong.
But child abuse isn't simple either.
Kids don't speak up for themselves, because whenever things go wrong they run to their parents, and if it's their parents that are they issue, who do they run to? Exactly. So they stay hidden and forced to swallow the sufferings and pain delivered by their parents.

My friend was sexually abused by her grandfather at a young age and when she told her father, her father called her a liar and didn't believe her.

And abuse is not just punching, kicking, and fatal blows. There are many colors to abuse. Some shades worse than others.
Blegh, I wish I could contribute more to the subject.

[Sejame]

And sejame, that was kinda wrong to post that pic here, when Kool was trying to be somewhat serious about this. It may be funny elsewhere, but....um...not here. That's just my opinion.

because this:

I too believe that Child abuse is certainly wrong. It used to be something that I only read in books, since I myself have never been abused, but It's a big problem in America, and everywhere around the world as well.

..was far more enlightening. But that's just my opinion.

Also, Cancer. It' not just that the kids don't have anyone to turn to, it's that in many cases they don't realise they are being abused. Or the abuser will give them candy or something they want after doing whatever it is they are doing and the kid won't care about what happened or think to tell anyone else.
I was watching a show where a child abuse detective was talking about his experiences as a child. His mom would force him to eat the feces from his baby brothers diapers if he complained he was hungry, would beat him and pretty much leave him to fend for himself and he STILL see's her and thinks she is the best mom in the world. Basically through everything she did to him he took it because he wanted her to like him.

One of the big problems with abuse is identifying it. It's one of those topics that in trying to create awareness of it has been blown completely out of proprotion. Parents can't spank their kids anymore without being accused of child abuse and having their kids taken away.
=gets out old mans cane=
I honestly think this is he cause of the many many punk-idiots we have roaming around these days due to no discipline. They have a great understanding of action versus consequences in that they know their actions will have no consequence. When parents are too afraid to punish their kids incase they get in trouble, things are a little wrong.

[trailerman]

Everything must have a limit, and child abuse is not an exception.
But there are many people who have been beaten up by their parents and still...they are successful people. But by saying "Child Abuse" I certainly don't mean sexual abuse or whatever. Just prove that the kid needs to listen you. Do not endure anarchy.

[absinthe_spoons]

Everything must have a limit, and child abuse is not an exception.
But there are many people who have been beaten up by their parents and still...they are successful people. But by saying "Child Abuse" I certainly don't mean sexual abuse or whatever. Just prove that the kid needs to listen you. Do not endure anarchy.

Well... no. Physical discipline of any kind is never the way to go. If you feel you have to resort to hitting your kid to get them to listen to you, you're an idiot and should not be a parent.

[trailerman]

Means almost the whole world is a bunch of idiots and can't be parents ? Don't get me wrong absy, I wasn't beaten up in my childhood, but those who were say THANKS, because if parents wouldn't clear things up somehow, hell know how they live. And they live good. Perhaps there are kids uncontrollable, that won't bother if you tell them about good manners. Toph's way of showing affection !

[sachianna]

And sejame, that was kinda wrong to post that pic here, when Kool was trying to be somewhat serious about this. It may be funny elsewhere, but....um...not here. That's just my opinion.

because this:

I too believe that Child abuse is certainly wrong. It used to be something that I only read in books, since I myself have never been abused, but It's a big problem in America, and everywhere around the world as well.

..was far more enlightening. But that's just my opinion.

Hey, that sure is your opinion. Maybe I was overreacting. (as I often do) Maybe it wasn't that serious...It just felt like it was making fun to me...I apologize. no hard feelings?

I admit it. I DONT know much about child abuse. Iv'e never seen it in person or heard anyone open up to me about it. Which is crazy, because I know that of all the people that I know in the world, someone has had to go through that pain and torture and not be able to tell anyone about it. So, I did probably, know someone who was abused, whether verbally, physically or sexually but was unable to help.

Cancer brought up a good point that sheds light on the other side of this problem. Kids often won't speak up for themselves, and don't have people to turn to in their lives to ask for help. However, there are places like shelters, and (I don't know if this is in your state or country...) but my state has a program called "safe place" where kids can turn to for assistance for child abuse, and other problems they may have in their households and in their lives. But, I also realize that for a child to ask for a stranger's help for an ongoing and usually explosive problem is a daunting thing to undertake. And also, this could end up making the situation worse for the child. If a child asks for help, say a counselor or a teacher at school, and the parent is contacted and notified that the school is "concerned" about their child, the parent may become enraged at the thought that they are "abusing" their child, and lash out at the kid even harder for "telling strangers lies about their life at home."

Sejame also had a point in saying that the children don't always realize that they are being abused. This is also true strangely enough, for some parents as well. It is one thing if a parent KNOWS that they are abusing their child, whether it's beating them, verbally slandering them or worse.For example, usually when a person commits an act that they KNOW is wrong, there is a feeling, a conscience that sends off alarm bells in their heads. They may choose to ignore this signal, but this would be a case of knowing the right thing, but refusing to do it. But It is another for the mind of the parent to convince themselves that what they are doing to their children is not abuse, and therefore is not wrong. Again, if a parent is abusing a child, and there is no signal to the brain that the action they are committing is indeed wrong, they will have no reason to stop carrying out the act. So, when they are being told by either by the child themselves, or a third party that the action that they are doing is wrong, they will refuse to believe them I dont think it's wrong! Who are they to tell me what I should do to my children??"

I must say, that child abuse is a dangerous cycle of violent behavior that results from psychologically unstable adults, which sadly results in psychologically unstable children as well. And often times, children may mimic the behaviors of their parents or guardians if they ever have children themselves because that is the only way they know how to "raise" them. Of course, the exact opposite can happen as well. A child may be so emotionally broken from abuse that it may cause them to become deficient in forming bonds with and trusting others. It's such a broad problem with so many possible outcomes. There's definately no "cookie cutter" way to address this, which is probably why it's so difficult to rectify in the beginning.

I do hope that was more enlightening than my previous post.

[Sejame]

Means almost the whole world is a bunch of idiots and can't be parents ? Don't get me wrong absy, I wasn't beaten up in my childhood, but those who were say THANKS, because if parents wouldn't clear things up somehow, hell know how they live. And they live good. Perhaps there are kids uncontrollable, that won't bother if you tell them about good manners. Toph's way of showing affection !

I suppose it all depends on what you're talking about. If you're saying a swat/spank on the butt is needed sometimes then maybe. If you are saying that beating the pulp out of a little kid too teach them a lesson is a good thing then no, nothing good ever comes of something like that happening. If they become successful as adults it isn't because of that.

I don't have any problem with spanking. I don't actually have to spank my kids as they are pretty well behaved as far as kids go ( they play videogames and watch movies =shrugs= nottalotta trouble to be got into there. ) plus one is only one years old anyway and spanking a baby is just crazy unreasonable.

I have however been around other parents that spank their kids and they definately deserved it and if my kids were to act that way I would do the same.
Kids like to push things as far as they can and when they get completely out of hand a spank can be the only thing to bring them back to reality. It's kind of a wake up call and to call parents who do so idiots who shouldn't be parents is overly judgemental.
Heck, my parents spanked me and I know I deserved it when they resorted to it and I definately wouldn't say they didn't deserve kids, they had me and my two sisters and I consider them to be really good parents, especially when I hear about other peoples parents and the relationship they have with them.

There is a thin line between hitting and spanking though and alot of parents that abuse their kids as sach said don't actually realise they are doing it as they consider it to be part of spanking.

[sachianna]

Hey, I was spanked as well as a child, but certainly nothing destructive. Honestly, If I ever have children and they do something that is wrong, I wouldn't hesitate to give them a spanking either. Iv'e actually had a conversation with my psychology teacher about this, and of course she disagrees with me. She's more inclined to utilize positive and negative reinforcement to reprimand her children, because children who are spanked "are more likely to have low self esteem and difficulties in functioning socially." Not ABUSED now, spanked. Obviously that's not true in ALL cases because (at least I think) I have a high self esteem and possess great social skills. I guess her definition of "spank" was different than my own. Who knows?

[trailerman]

Well, I was talking about spanking. The rest is just as menacing as beating an adult.

[sachianna]

Well, I was talking about spanking. The rest is just as menacing as beating an adult.

Oh I agree with you Tman XD. Im saying that I wouldn't do anything WORSE than spank my child.