Less Leo, More Character Development

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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby Metalbender92 on Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:22 am

Uncle_Iroh wrote:Problem with it.

If he didn't get with Katara, how would the Air nomads continue to exist? If there weren't anymore airbenders the cycle would be broken and after three more avatars there would be no more Avatar.

I think that Mike and Bryan know what they are doing, and they shouldn't be questioned...Ever. Again.

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Has it ever been said that the cycle breaks if the air benders die? If I was writing the film adaptation, I'd just have the cycle skip over the air benders if they became extinct. Also, future avatars who know air bending and haven't mastered the avatar state could have air bending children at some point.

I know this isn't a great answer, but I don't think having Aang and Katara get together solves anything either. I mean, once they have their kids, hopefully one of them is an air bender. And if they are, they will have to have an air bender child or else the whole race is dead. Based on their comments about the world continuing to be out of balance at the end of Sozin's war, I doubt Mike and Bryan envisioned Aang and Katara's sex life restoring the air benders. And if they did, that's a really terrible plan.

It's been proven that Mike and Bryan had most of the finale planned out ahead of time, which is great. It's a huge aspect of storytelling that a lot of other TV shows miss. However, the conclusions to the character arcs and the mysteries were very poor, despite this planning (Aang lets go of Katara but marries her? A giant Lion Turtle shows up to give Aang the ability to defeat Ozai without killing him and the audience doesn't know until the last 20 MINUTES OF THE SERIES?) This ending was so bad that it looked like they HADN'T been planning it for 6 years, like it was just tacked on at the last minute. Mike and Bryan might have known what they were doing for the entire series, but does that justify a terrible ending?

All I'm saying is that a screenwriter uses very rigid story structure "laws". Every scene must lead somewhere and have a purpose. I would actually like to see a 3rd Last Airbender movie be made because despite how terrible of a writer M. Night Shymalan is, I don't think he would have gone the "Leo" route without a couple of huge changes. Only the worst adaptation would keep the Lion Turtle without "fixing" it.
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby captainyodels on Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:13 pm

Metalbender92 wrote:I'm sorry I couldn't feed your literary hunger!


You sure don't seem sorry.
You just keep posting.
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby vanja1995 on Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:21 pm

Uncle_Iroh wrote:I think that Mike and Bryan know what they are doing, and they shouldn't be questioned...Ever. Again.


Agreeeed.

In fact Aang and Ozai's soul's turning inside out really embodies the classic good vs. evil struggle. And you can tell he's a lot more grown up in the scenes after the battle, YOU CANS SEE IT IN HIS EYES ngh
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby Metalbender92 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:15 am

"You can see it in his eyes." That's great. But guess what? Mike and Bryan didn't WRITE those. You can tell he's a lot more grown up after the battle because of the amazing animation, not what was in the script.

Sure it's a classic good and evil struggle, but does that make it a good one? The Last Airbender was classic good vs evil, anyone want to stick up for that? Avatar had that conflict, but there were no consequences for any of the characters and there were so many plotholes and cop-outs used to tie things up. Seriously, can any of you explain how Aang let go of Katara? Because I've asked here before and no one had a clue. And I think if you were completely honest with yourselves you could see why a lot of people would be disappointed with a magical turtle (that we've NEVER MET BEFORE) giving Aang a secret skill (which is the solution to the entire 6 year series but has never been foreshadowed or introduced).

Look, I don't have a problem with people having different opinions than me, that's the whole point of the thread. But trying to shut out any negative feedback people give the show because "Mike and Bryan shouldn't be questioned" is just ignorant.
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby CancerianFireLordess on Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:04 am

OOH A DUMB THREAD
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby Metalbender92 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:06 am

CancerianFireLordess wrote:OOH A DUMB THREAD
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Wow......really?
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby captainyodels on Sat Aug 06, 2011 7:51 pm

Shut up kid. You're the one who posted a retarded thread that nobody cares about.
Don't get your panties in a bunch when people tell you that your stupid thread is stupid.
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby Metalbender92 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:53 pm

captainyodels wrote:Shut up kid. You're the one who posted a retarded thread that nobody cares about.
Don't get your panties in a bunch when people tell you that your stupid thread is stupid.



Ha ha ok yodels. I know you don't like reading things that are "too long" and that you "don't care" about, so this post could be a bit of a struggle. But push through it girl, it's important. I swear if I could've made this a haiku I would:

1. I don't think my idea is "retarded". I think there are some less radical fans of the series who might appreciate an adaptation. Either way, it's just an opinion, and anyone who wants to disagree with it can do so. Why is it not ok for me to have a different opinion than you?

If no one really cares about my idea, that's fine by me. You can let it rot in the fan fiction forum without any replies, and I'll be fine with that. But I just don't know why anyone would want to post here if they don't even care about the subject matter. I guess I've just been hanging around forums that don't have members that bash other people's ideas without reading them first!


2. You're under the impression that I'm upset. I'm honestly just confused. You've posted 4 times telling me to shut up, and yet you've admitted yourself that you haven't even read what I wrote. Let me put it this way- if you were writing this post, this is where you'd google the head-explosion gif.


3. I'm ok with criticism. Seriously, I am inviting you to rip my argument to shreds. If you have a good reason why you like the series finale, explain it to me! How come a half dozen people have told me their opinion (You're stupid, don't question Mike and Bryan) and almost none of them have told me WHY they have it ?

Instead I have received images of a grotesque mermaid, 3 mentally handicapped penguins, a "ninja", a dog anticipating nourishment, and an animation of a disdainful Mr. Criss. I honestly believe that the only reason this post got attention is because it gave members like you a chance to use more memes.

...I nailed it, didn't I? Spooky!

Like I said, I don't care if every person on this site thinks my posts are garbage, as long as they give me a reason WHY. “Your thread is retarded” doesn't cut- because how retarded are we talking about? Like Radio retarded or I Am Sam retarded? Clarification would be helpful.

4. Wait- "kid?" Either you're cosplaying as John Wayne right now or you don't know how old I am.

5. HOLY sh** I LOVE COCKS!!!!
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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby captainyodels on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:00 pm

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Re: Less Leo, More Character Development

Postby Ataru on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:53 pm

Metalbender92 wrote:I think of all the series I have ever watched, the ending of Avatar was the most disappointing.


Worse endings:

1. Aishiteruze Baby - After Kippei takes care of his 5-year-old niece for about a year her no-good mother shows up and asks for her daughter back in a wishy-washy way. It is clearly obvious that she is not ready to take her daughter back and be a good mother, but for some unknown reason Kippei decides to allow Yuzuyu to go back with her mother.

2. Gad Guard - After traveling for 26 episodes looking for the MacGuffins known as the Gads and where they came from, what they are, and a side thing about where his father is... the main character discovers none of the above and returns home empty handed none the wiser for his journey.

3. Canvas 2 - Shrugging off about 5 other obvious romance choices the main character decides to get engaged to his cousin whom he has raised from childhood and who is basically a little sister to him. Also he's her high school teacher.

4. E's Otherwise - After the series builds up to a final confrontation between the two main characters they decide to skip over the final battle without letting you know the result. The last scene shows a big destructive aftermath but fails to let you even know if either of the main characters is still alive.

5. Honey and Clover 2 - After injuring her hand and thus losing her future as an artist Hagu decides to not decide on either boy she is in love with but instead moves away with her uncle never to return.

6. Alice in Wonderland (the new one) - After a life-changing adventure and falling in love with Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter Alice returns to Earth for some unknown reason (as she was asked to stay in Wonderland and declines). The people back on Earth have done a complete 180 and now find her outgoing and tomboyish nature charming and are completely willing to accept her despite having rejected and hated on her about 10 minutes earlier.

7. Lost - Nothing is explained.

8. The Cat Who Walked Through Walls - After spending an entire book building up to a single moment of espionage the author decides to skip over the event, adding instead a epilogue which says that the team failed and the eponymous cat who walks through walls is dead.

9. Harry Potter - After sacrificing himself valiantly for his friends Harry decides to come back to life for some reason right in the middle of a touching speech from Neville about how they don't actually NEED Harry there to be brave and win the fight. Nope, apparently they did.

10. That one Wolverine Movie - Wolverine forgets everything thus negating the purpose of the story existing in the first place. Also Deadpool looks like a mute emo freak with katanas in his arms (how does he bend his elbows?)

11. Saki - The girls move on toward the national finals, which by itself isn't bad but in the ending credits it shows clips from the 'next season' that never happened. Great, way to stop halfway through the story guys.

12. Star Ocean EX - After deciding to stay and help protect his friends from the impending planetary disaster instead of going home, Claude activates the teleporter to take them to the next planet and continue the story. Too bad that's as far as the show got. Yep. Halfway point in the story. Resolved nothing.

13. Every crappy horror movie ever that sets up for a stupid sequel despite the first one having sucked

14. Interview with a Vampire - The only interesting character dies (and is about the only character in the book who does die) thus sealing the fate of the entire series as boring and lacking interesting characters.

15. A Serbian Film - Ha. Yeah.

I'm just pulling names out of a hat here. I realize you said 'of the things I've seen' but seriously man I must then assume that Avatar is the ONLY SHOW YOU'VE EVER SEEN IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.

You've been asking for people to give actual feedback on your idea, so here's some:

The demographic for Avatar was the 'younger than teen' audience, for which the ending was perfect. Okay not perfect as nothing is perfect but it was as good as anyone could possibly expect. I don't know if you just skipped over all the delibrating Aang did before the battle about whether or not to kill the Firelord or what it meant to end the battle, but there's a ton of build up to whether or not he's going to do it and OF COURSE he takes the route of nonviolence because he's meant to represent a being in a state of balance, not chaos. He's meant to equalize the forces of the Earth, not destroy.

All your ending does is add teen angst to a show that doesn't need any as it's not meant for the teen angst crowd. Actually they had Mai, so they can't complain either.

Aang should have killed Ozai? Are we talking about the same character? I can't believe you'd throw away all of what Aang was developed to be, all that innocence in the face of huge and important world-changing tasks and decisions, just so you can add a little 'mature angst' to the story.

I'm a story writer too, and when I saw this thread I thought a little bit about what I'd do to change the ending and I honestly can't think of anything. Not with Aang at least, I have my own ideas of post-ending Toph but I've got my own fanfic going on that front.

You're a teenager, I understand where you're coming from. You think there needs to be more 'emotion' in things and by emotion I mean 'angst' cuz' apparently the only emotion in the world is depression and moral ambiguity. I'm sorry to say but there are saints in the world and there can be saints and saintly acts in cartoons as well. Aang took the better path after a LONG and ARDUOUS journey both in the physical world and in the world of emotion where he wrestled with the reality of the war and his duty to 'defeat' Ozai. The fact that he found a nonlethal route to do that is a victory for those who have hope for peaceful victories in the real world.

Please slather your teen drama on some other series and leave Aang as the peaceful young monk child he was ALWAYS DEVELOPED TO BE.
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